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		<title>By: Arik Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arik Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while back, a former coworker of mine suggested I write a book about what it&#039;s like to work in a female-dominated industry. Interestingly enough, I never look at the industry that way. Just as you say many of your mentors are men, many of mine are women. And they&#039;re all insanely bright, talented and motivated women. I gotta agree with Dave here when he says it&#039;s a non-issue. Always been that way for me. That said, don&#039;t bet against me writing that book. After all, I already have the title: &quot;Behind the Press Release: Arik Hanson--Working in a Woman&#039;s World.&quot; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back, a former coworker of mine suggested I write a book about what it&#8217;s like to work in a female-dominated industry. Interestingly enough, I never look at the industry that way. Just as you say many of your mentors are men, many of mine are women. And they&#8217;re all insanely bright, talented and motivated women. I gotta agree with Dave here when he says it&#8217;s a non-issue. Always been that way for me. That said, don&#8217;t bet against me writing that book. After all, I already have the title: &#8220;Behind the Press Release: Arik Hanson&#8211;Working in a Woman&#8217;s World.&#8221; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sasha H. Muradali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasha H. Muradali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so true though. One of the guys I graduated from University with -- one of maybe 50 in a PR program of 800+ I would imagine -- used to refer to himself and the other guys as the &#039;token men of PR.&#039;

He used to say things to the girls like -- thanks for letting me in &#039;your group&#039; and &#039;accepting me.&#039; He was totally straight too, btw.

Personally, I love PR.  I&#039;m proud I&#039;m a part of it, and I think that sometimes the lines between the sexes get blurred and rather nasty.

But at the end of the day, everyone&#039;s free to make their own decisions, and if they decisions or the words that come out of their mouths are offensive -- it&#039;s up to me, to set that distance.

That&#039;s my choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so true though. One of the guys I graduated from University with &#8212; one of maybe 50 in a PR program of 800+ I would imagine &#8212; used to refer to himself and the other guys as the &#8216;token men of PR.&#8217;</p>
<p>He used to say things to the girls like &#8212; thanks for letting me in &#8216;your group&#8217; and &#8216;accepting me.&#8217; He was totally straight too, btw.</p>
<p>Personally, I love PR.  I&#8217;m proud I&#8217;m a part of it, and I think that sometimes the lines between the sexes get blurred and rather nasty.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, everyone&#8217;s free to make their own decisions, and if they decisions or the words that come out of their mouths are offensive &#8212; it&#8217;s up to me, to set that distance.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasey Skala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasey Skala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, can you really be a sports fan and cheer for the Pack?

Ok, now that I have my required jab out of the way! Now that I think of it, through out my educational career, the majority of PR majors at my school were female. In my class, I believe there were 4-5 males who I graduated with that got a degree in PR. Hadn&#039;t thought about it until now. Wow!

I think a lot of it goes back to the sterotype of PR being party planners and the &quot;f&quot; word. No, not the 4-letter word. Traditionally,  the wedding planners and party planners were female - that is obviously changing as PR evolves into it&#039;s true profession. At the same time, look at the traditional journalists - heavily dominated by males.  

I think PR in general is not a well-known trade.  It often plays second fiddle to advertising &amp; marketing, which is fine. However, as PR has continued to showcase it&#039;s importance, the industry has become more public. Bad or good, that&#039;s another discussion.

As our society continues to change and evolve, so will our profession. No longer will males study economics or accounting - traditional &quot;male&quot; industries. Our industry has a bright future and I&#039;m excited to be a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, can you really be a sports fan and cheer for the Pack?</p>
<p>Ok, now that I have my required jab out of the way! Now that I think of it, through out my educational career, the majority of PR majors at my school were female. In my class, I believe there were 4-5 males who I graduated with that got a degree in PR. Hadn&#8217;t thought about it until now. Wow!</p>
<p>I think a lot of it goes back to the sterotype of PR being party planners and the &#8220;f&#8221; word. No, not the 4-letter word. Traditionally,  the wedding planners and party planners were female &#8211; that is obviously changing as PR evolves into it&#8217;s true profession. At the same time, look at the traditional journalists &#8211; heavily dominated by males.  </p>
<p>I think PR in general is not a well-known trade.  It often plays second fiddle to advertising &amp; marketing, which is fine. However, as PR has continued to showcase it&#8217;s importance, the industry has become more public. Bad or good, that&#8217;s another discussion.</p>
<p>As our society continues to change and evolve, so will our profession. No longer will males study economics or accounting &#8211; traditional &#8220;male&#8221; industries. Our industry has a bright future and I&#8217;m excited to be a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally? I love being in PR. I find it fast paced, suited to my skills and constantly evolving. I&#039;m only 24 and already used to being the only dude at the table during lunch. Do I care? Not really. 

For me it&#039;s not who you work with but how you work with them effectively. If you make a great team and can create awesome stuff who cares what gender you are? Stigmas are dumb. One thing I have noticed though is that far fewer women blog about PR versus men who blog about PR. Weird, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally? I love being in PR. I find it fast paced, suited to my skills and constantly evolving. I&#8217;m only 24 and already used to being the only dude at the table during lunch. Do I care? Not really. </p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s not who you work with but how you work with them effectively. If you make a great team and can create awesome stuff who cares what gender you are? Stigmas are dumb. One thing I have noticed though is that far fewer women blog about PR versus men who blog about PR. Weird, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Folkens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Folkens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point LAF- For me, gender is really such a non-issue when I look at who is a talented PR pro that I don&#039;t even think of it.  I always harp on the stereotype of being in PR because &quot;I&#039;m a people person&quot; which is absolutely NOT why you should be in PR.  If done well, communications and PR is about understanding an audience and an industry to be able to provide context to information that will benefit everyone involved-- getting appropriate information for an organization out, connecting with the right audience/customer, and engaging with media that fits.  

I think men and women certainly provide different viewpoints and experiences that color how you may look at things, but that&#039;s good.  The fundamental priority is knowing your stuff and working hard to know how all the pieces come together.  

And, I don&#039;t think heels would work well for me (or anyone else unfortunate enough to see it.)

Good thoughts as always and thanks for sharing with us all.
-Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point LAF- For me, gender is really such a non-issue when I look at who is a talented PR pro that I don&#8217;t even think of it.  I always harp on the stereotype of being in PR because &#8220;I&#8217;m a people person&#8221; which is absolutely NOT why you should be in PR.  If done well, communications and PR is about understanding an audience and an industry to be able to provide context to information that will benefit everyone involved&#8211; getting appropriate information for an organization out, connecting with the right audience/customer, and engaging with media that fits.  </p>
<p>I think men and women certainly provide different viewpoints and experiences that color how you may look at things, but that&#8217;s good.  The fundamental priority is knowing your stuff and working hard to know how all the pieces come together.  </p>
<p>And, I don&#8217;t think heels would work well for me (or anyone else unfortunate enough to see it.)</p>
<p>Good thoughts as always and thanks for sharing with us all.<br />
-Dave</p>
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		<title>By: ryanmcshane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanmcshane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great convo this morning. I&#039;ll be sure to tune in next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great convo this morning. I&#8217;ll be sure to tune in next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R - Very happy you brought that up, and it&#039;s something I agree with wholeheartedly. As I am a complete sports fanatic - ask anyone! - but I also love fashion.

For a specific sector, you really do have to have knowledge of it. I continue to awe and amaze most men with my sports knowledge, and maybe that is why it&#039;s still men dominated. They know their stuff - and that is transcended into how they work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R &#8211; Very happy you brought that up, and it&#8217;s something I agree with wholeheartedly. As I am a complete sports fanatic &#8211; ask anyone! &#8211; but I also love fashion.</p>
<p>For a specific sector, you really do have to have knowledge of it. I continue to awe and amaze most men with my sports knowledge, and maybe that is why it&#8217;s still men dominated. They know their stuff &#8211; and that is transcended into how they work.</p>
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		<title>By: ryanmcshane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryanmcshane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LAF -- It&#039;s funny now that I think of it. When people ask what I do, I oftentimes say I&#039;m in Sports PR.

For a sector specific as sports (or fashion), a practitioner needs to possess a passion for the industry, as well as the sector. I think that&#039;s why you may see more men in sports and not so much in fashion.

I think the sports sector is a bit more inclusive than Fashion PR. With women holding a strong ratio in the industry, it&#039;d be tough for any of us to get a job in fashion not having any previous knowledge of the sector. It&#039;s a case of supply and demand. Women raised without a background in sports should have a much easier time getting a job in sports than an un-savvy male would in fashion. Agree? Disagree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LAF &#8212; It&#8217;s funny now that I think of it. When people ask what I do, I oftentimes say I&#8217;m in Sports PR.</p>
<p>For a sector specific as sports (or fashion), a practitioner needs to possess a passion for the industry, as well as the sector. I think that&#8217;s why you may see more men in sports and not so much in fashion.</p>
<p>I think the sports sector is a bit more inclusive than Fashion PR. With women holding a strong ratio in the industry, it&#8217;d be tough for any of us to get a job in fashion not having any previous knowledge of the sector. It&#8217;s a case of supply and demand. Women raised without a background in sports should have a much easier time getting a job in sports than an un-savvy male would in fashion. Agree? Disagree?</p>
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		<title>By: Libby Krah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby Krah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most interesting things I&#039;ve noticed and that you mentioned in your post is a shift from college to professional experience.

In college, I had very few male classmates in my public relations classes, but I did have several male professors. I think there were more guys majoring in advertising (which, like public relations, was in the journalism school). And there were certainly more female members and leaders of discipline-related activities, like PRSSA and IABC.

In my internships and [brand new!] professional experience, though, I&#039;ve encountered very talented male and female PR practitioners. I never really noticed that the PR departments of the agencies where I worked were actually made up of more women than men, but that&#039;s because it didn&#039;t really matter. We all work on the same things and everyone follows the same career progression.

I think within the industry, it&#039;s not uncommon to know and respect pros from both genders. But the perception of people outside the industry is what might be skewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most interesting things I&#8217;ve noticed and that you mentioned in your post is a shift from college to professional experience.</p>
<p>In college, I had very few male classmates in my public relations classes, but I did have several male professors. I think there were more guys majoring in advertising (which, like public relations, was in the journalism school). And there were certainly more female members and leaders of discipline-related activities, like PRSSA and IABC.</p>
<p>In my internships and [brand new!] professional experience, though, I&#8217;ve encountered very talented male and female PR practitioners. I never really noticed that the PR departments of the agencies where I worked were actually made up of more women than men, but that&#8217;s because it didn&#8217;t really matter. We all work on the same things and everyone follows the same career progression.</p>
<p>I think within the industry, it&#8217;s not uncommon to know and respect pros from both genders. But the perception of people outside the industry is what might be skewed.</p>
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		<title>By: inkognegro</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkognegro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff.  

You and I go around and around (in a collegial and respectful way) about the roles race and gender play in perceptions.  

I think its vital that people recognize that there has been advantage built up on those roles and discrimination.  

Misogyny and boys will be boys behavior is about putting folk in their place.  

That is why people should never be afraid to speak up when offense is taken.  

It is why being called a racist has become the trendy form of victim-claiming.

The power of gender and race privilege is in its last throes, but it is NOT going down without a fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff.  </p>
<p>You and I go around and around (in a collegial and respectful way) about the roles race and gender play in perceptions.  </p>
<p>I think its vital that people recognize that there has been advantage built up on those roles and discrimination.  </p>
<p>Misogyny and boys will be boys behavior is about putting folk in their place.  </p>
<p>That is why people should never be afraid to speak up when offense is taken.  </p>
<p>It is why being called a racist has become the trendy form of victim-claiming.</p>
<p>The power of gender and race privilege is in its last throes, but it is NOT going down without a fight.</p>
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