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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the parents example - right on point Dave. Thanks for reading. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the parents example &#8211; right on point Dave. Thanks for reading. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t believe that Shameless Self Promotion will ever get your far- might get you in the door, but not much further. I think a nice blend can be ok - but wouldn&#039;t you rather other people talk about you without prompting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t believe that Shameless Self Promotion will ever get your far- might get you in the door, but not much further. I think a nice blend can be ok &#8211; but wouldn&#8217;t you rather other people talk about you without prompting?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chat idea for #u30pro? :-)</description>
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		<title>By: David Spinks</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-965</link>
		<dc:creator>David Spinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment! You&#039;re totally spot on.

haha but seriously, that is absolutely an issue.  Talking about people that are new to the space is a good spot.  When you&#039;re new, you just want to be accepted, and it&#039;s a lot easier to be accepted for agreeing than for disagreeing. 

This is certainly an issue for young graduates just entering the field.  Try disagreeing with a more experienced professional and things start to get real messy.  There&#039;s a lot of hypocrisy in this situation.  I can&#039;t count how many people say to &quot;speak your mind&quot; and to be honest about your opinions...but if someone says something that directly challenges their ideas or opinions, they get offended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment! You&#8217;re totally spot on.</p>
<p>haha but seriously, that is absolutely an issue.  Talking about people that are new to the space is a good spot.  When you&#8217;re new, you just want to be accepted, and it&#8217;s a lot easier to be accepted for agreeing than for disagreeing. </p>
<p>This is certainly an issue for young graduates just entering the field.  Try disagreeing with a more experienced professional and things start to get real messy.  There&#8217;s a lot of hypocrisy in this situation.  I can&#8217;t count how many people say to &#8220;speak your mind&#8221; and to be honest about your opinions&#8230;but if someone says something that directly challenges their ideas or opinions, they get offended.</p>
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		<title>By: jaykeith</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>jaykeith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly Dave, and good example with the parents.  And who doesn&#039;t want a little disagreement here and there?  It&#039;s good for all of us in the long run.  It&#039;s funny I see people having little disagreements in blogs and on Twitter, but I&#039;d like to see some more in depth ones, especially regarding SM tactics and methods.  Sometimes I don&#039;t see the passion that I do in real life.  Maybe it&#039;s the subject matter though?

We all love praise, and I also think that Twitter is a bit of a funnel for that too. Oftentimes I think that people actually flock to Twitter to get a little praise, some acknowledgment, and some love.  That&#039;s great, but if we&#039;re talking real issues, let&#039;s have some debate and some disagreement.  

Never hurts to shake things up a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly Dave, and good example with the parents.  And who doesn&#8217;t want a little disagreement here and there?  It&#8217;s good for all of us in the long run.  It&#8217;s funny I see people having little disagreements in blogs and on Twitter, but I&#8217;d like to see some more in depth ones, especially regarding SM tactics and methods.  Sometimes I don&#8217;t see the passion that I do in real life.  Maybe it&#8217;s the subject matter though?</p>
<p>We all love praise, and I also think that Twitter is a bit of a funnel for that too. Oftentimes I think that people actually flock to Twitter to get a little praise, some acknowledgment, and some love.  That&#8217;s great, but if we&#8217;re talking real issues, let&#8217;s have some debate and some disagreement.  </p>
<p>Never hurts to shake things up a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: David Spinks</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>David Spinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting distinction for discussion.  What came first the success or the self promotion?

I don&#039;t see anyone being successful strictly through self promotion.

I actually think everyone should self promote, just don&#039;t make it the sole focus of your agenda.  In this space we&#039;ve condemned self-promotion so much that people are afraid to promote themselves whatsoever. It&#039;s okay to promote your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting distinction for discussion.  What came first the success or the self promotion?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anyone being successful strictly through self promotion.</p>
<p>I actually think everyone should self promote, just don&#8217;t make it the sole focus of your agenda.  In this space we&#8217;ve condemned self-promotion so much that people are afraid to promote themselves whatsoever. It&#8217;s okay to promote your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Folkens</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Folkens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you&#039;re off base Jay. I think one of the wonderful things about SM is that you can meet a lot of great, smart people that you wouldn&#039;t otherwise connect with.  That connectivity can lend itself to some very sincere &quot;great work&quot; kinds of comments but if you constantly tell eveyone that they&#039;re outstanding then it dilutes the value for everyone.  The SM space isn&#039;t the only area where this comes up. It&#039;s at the heart of the debate for many parenting experts, for example, who are wondering if over-praising all kids has really set up problems for them handling failure or just being &quot;normal&quot; versus outstanding.

Bottom line for me is just remaining genuine in all your interactions.  Don&#039;t be afraid to express gratitude and praise but make sure it&#039;s sincere and not just a habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re off base Jay. I think one of the wonderful things about SM is that you can meet a lot of great, smart people that you wouldn&#8217;t otherwise connect with.  That connectivity can lend itself to some very sincere &#8220;great work&#8221; kinds of comments but if you constantly tell eveyone that they&#8217;re outstanding then it dilutes the value for everyone.  The SM space isn&#8217;t the only area where this comes up. It&#8217;s at the heart of the debate for many parenting experts, for example, who are wondering if over-praising all kids has really set up problems for them handling failure or just being &#8220;normal&#8221; versus outstanding.</p>
<p>Bottom line for me is just remaining genuine in all your interactions.  Don&#8217;t be afraid to express gratitude and praise but make sure it&#8217;s sincere and not just a habit.</p>
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		<title>By: jaykeith</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>jaykeith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen all of the behaviors mentioned on here, and they certainly exist. But what I have seen even more of is what I&#039;d call &quot;Bum Kissers.&quot;  I see a lot of this, people constantly agreeing with anything and everything that a certain person/thought leader/group might be talking about or posting, simply to gain acceptance.   Like I&#039;ve said in the past, people are far more likely to agree than disagree on Twitter (a post by @edwardboches today somewhat looks at this), basically to &quot;fit in.&quot;

I think this is especially true of people starting out - they are quick to &quot;jump on someone&#039;s bandwagon&quot; in order to fit in and get access to their groups/followers, etc.  Personally I see that a lot, and I&#039;ve never been a fan of it.  While I certainly don&#039;t go around openly disagreeing with everyone, I also think before I say &quot;great point, you&#039;re totally spot on.&quot;  You just have to pick your spots. It&#039;s ok to agree, but if you&#039;re agreeing with literally everyone, you lose some credibility don&#039;t you?

I think a lot of Twitterers (especially in PR) fall into this trap.  Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just being pessimistic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen all of the behaviors mentioned on here, and they certainly exist. But what I have seen even more of is what I&#8217;d call &#8220;Bum Kissers.&#8221;  I see a lot of this, people constantly agreeing with anything and everything that a certain person/thought leader/group might be talking about or posting, simply to gain acceptance.   Like I&#8217;ve said in the past, people are far more likely to agree than disagree on Twitter (a post by @edwardboches today somewhat looks at this), basically to &#8220;fit in.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is especially true of people starting out &#8211; they are quick to &#8220;jump on someone&#8217;s bandwagon&#8221; in order to fit in and get access to their groups/followers, etc.  Personally I see that a lot, and I&#8217;ve never been a fan of it.  While I certainly don&#8217;t go around openly disagreeing with everyone, I also think before I say &#8220;great point, you&#8217;re totally spot on.&#8221;  You just have to pick your spots. It&#8217;s ok to agree, but if you&#8217;re agreeing with literally everyone, you lose some credibility don&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I think a lot of Twitterers (especially in PR) fall into this trap.  Has anyone else noticed this, or am I just being pessimistic?</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay M. Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay M. Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there&#039;s always &quot;The Macho Punk -- The &#039;You&#039;d Best Not Challenge Me, or There&#039;s Gonna Be a Fight&#039; Effect&quot;

;)

(But I guess I kind of covered that one yesterday!)

Seriously, though ... interesting ideas here. And I have to disagree w/Sonny to an extent. I can think of LOTS of self-promoters who are quite successful in this space. However, they probably didn&#039;t become successful by self-promoting. It&#039;s probably more that their success has made them feel entitled to self-promote. And I don&#039;t know which is worse. LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there&#8217;s always &#8220;The Macho Punk &#8212; The &#8216;You&#8217;d Best Not Challenge Me, or There&#8217;s Gonna Be a Fight&#8217; Effect&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(But I guess I kind of covered that one yesterday!)</p>
<p>Seriously, though &#8230; interesting ideas here. And I have to disagree w/Sonny to an extent. I can think of LOTS of self-promoters who are quite successful in this space. However, they probably didn&#8217;t become successful by self-promoting. It&#8217;s probably more that their success has made them feel entitled to self-promote. And I don&#8217;t know which is worse. LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.laurenafernandez.com/2009/08/27/social-media-relationship-killers-and-the-pr-effect/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, we know you dig us Sonny. It&#039;s all good.

I find it hard to voice it sometimes, as I don&#039;t know how well it will be received. In SM, so many people say &#039;Wow youre awesome!&#039; &#039;That&#039;s so great!&#039; that I think people have big heads - even when they might not have any right to. So will they listen?

I like your yapping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, we know you dig us Sonny. It&#8217;s all good.</p>
<p>I find it hard to voice it sometimes, as I don&#8217;t know how well it will be received. In SM, so many people say &#8216;Wow youre awesome!&#8217; &#8216;That&#8217;s so great!&#8217; that I think people have big heads &#8211; even when they might not have any right to. So will they listen?</p>
<p>I like your yapping!</p>
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